In this episode we interview Keith Doornbus, one of our first REVEAL clients in 2008 when he was pastor of Providence Church in Holland, Michigan. Providence took the REVEAL survey three times, improving from Troubled to Average. Keith shares his perspective on using REVEAL to turnaround Troubled and Introverted churches, both as a pastor who used REVEAL to understand his own congregation and as the coach for many pastors in the Christian Reformed Church who have taken the survey.

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